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Old 07-08-2005, 04:42 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Excellent thread, thanks for the insight. I just picked up a NNNN.org from that list you posted, I'll send on all the NP$ I have left and add to your rep!
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Paxton ok i signed up for at goldkey.com to try a few nnnn.com that i have

this is part of the email me they sent me

For each domain, you can click on the TEMPLATE icon to see exactly
what your site will look like when it is live. The keywords which are
displayed on the site are automatically generated from an Overture
algorithm. If for some reason, you are not satisfied with the keywords
displayed, please submit a support ticket, and we will help you
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now how did you pick keywards for your nnnn domains?? or did you let them get automatecally get generated from the overure algorithm???? any advise for chossing template for the ppc landing page???
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PM sent.

If anyone else wants to try this system, PM me and I'll show you screenshots of how well some of my number domains have done (compared to other PPC programs). Like I said, I have tested them at many places. In addition to the screenshots, I can give you some pointers on how to setup and I'll also provide you my referral code.

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Thankyou mucho glasios thanks thanks !!!!, terrific anyways i didnt have your referral code when i signed up
but i will email them letting them know about how you sent me there and if you could get a referral to you....
Paxton i have tons of three nummer .biz .us .info i wonder if those will get traffic or if they even park these ext on there site?????

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Keep in mind many NNNN.nets still fall all the way to manual dropcatching.
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Keep in mind many NNNN.nets still fall all the way to manual dropcatching.
Sam, if you read the first post, you'd see that is not the case any longer.
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Originally Posted by paxton
...Now all NNNN.net domains are registered. As they expire, they are being caught by dropcatchers and auctioned off to the highest bidder.
We can use this thread to track NNNN sales, so everyone sees what is transpiring in the marketplace. In the last couple of weeks, all NNNN.net domains are being caught by dropcatchers. In fact, no longer are all of them going for $10 - $30 at Enom, but people are actually using Pool and Snapnames now to catch them (minimum $60 bid at each of these places). Should they fall into reverse auctions at Enom (when multiple bidders only bid $10 or $20), someone else comes along and uses the BIN option to claim the name.

Here is the recent data I have for NNNN.net domains at dropcatchers:

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Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price
5910.net	07/13/05	Club Drop	in auction
9315.net	07/13/05	Club Drop	in auction
8755.net	07/13/05	Club Drop	in auction
0277.net	07/12/05	Club Drop	in auction
9319.net	07/11/05	Club Drop	$15
1640.net	07/11/05	Pool	        in auction
3250.net	07/11/05	SnapNames	in auction
6415.net	07/10/05	Club Drop	$35
7564.net	07/10/05	Club Drop	$35
9713.net	07/10/05	Club Drop	$35
9420.net	07/10/05	Club Drop	$35
9241.net	07/10/05	Club Drop	$35
8278.net	07/09/05	Club Drop	$60
7726.net	07/09/05	Club Drop	$60
9886.net	07/08/05	Club Drop	$60
5139.net	07/08/05	Club Drop	$60
6230.net	07/08/05	Club Drop	$60
9503.net	07/08/05	Club Drop	$60
8590.net	07/08/05	Club Drop	$60
5622.net	07/07/05	Club Drop	$15
9568.net	07/07/05	Club Drop	$15
5006.net	07/07/05	Club Drop	$45
4623.net	07/06/05	Club Drop	$60
9915.net	07/06/05	Club Drop	$60
1383.net	07/06/05	Club Drop	$60
3198.net	07/05/05	Club Drop	$30
7818.net	07/05/05	Club Drop	$55
5370.net	07/04/05	Club Drop	$15
4080.net	07/04/05	Club Drop	$100
You can see from the table above that these are definitely rising in price and demand for them is strong. No NNNN.nets can be regged by hand unless someone gets very lucky at droptime.

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Yes, Enom's drop catching service is called Club Drop.
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On another note, equity78 posted a great article in his Online Population Numbers thread. From the article he references, we can get a real good idea of just how many potential new internet users will be coming online in the not so distant future. From this report, there is another link to an article entitled Asian Internet Market to Surpass United States and this one is a real eye-opener. Very interesting stuff.

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The results seem to indicate that someone is systematically acquiring these domains, one decile at a time. Some quick scans of the whois database revealed that this might indeed be happening.
I see a different reason low numbers are more likely taken. Here are my thoughts.
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numbers from 0001 to 2005 are years that may have historical implications (birthdays, historical significance, future graduation dates, etc.) as usage for a website as well as numbers up to 2030 or so for speculation.

A potential usage for numbers is the address of a building. I know of several building know as the #### building. Even small towns would have low numbers, but only the very largest cities would have 50 or more blocks numbered consecutively that could use numbers over 5000. People naturally start numbering things in order, so anything would be less likely to use the high numbers that gets numbered.

2 and 4 are often used for "to" and "for". 6 through 9 don't have this common usage, even though 8 could be use for "ate" in a stretch.

We don't naturally use leading zeros unless we have to so, they would naturally be confusing for real use.

even though taken and some do get PPC traffic, I see little useful value in speculation in random 4 number domains. particularly non-.com ones.
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even though taken and some do get PPC traffic, I see little useful value in speculation in random 4 number domains. particularly non-.com ones.
The asian world would disagree with you greatly on that point.
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Very weird. I hand regged a NNNN.net around 3-4 days ago -_-. (8997.net i think).

BTW how the crap is 4080 going around $100 -_-. HOORAY FOR ME ( i have 3090 and 3060 .net BOTH manually dropcatched )
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I have around 10 NNNN that dont start with 0 so yea long term investment
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Chinese is probably one of the very few languages where several different words meaning different things can have identical pronunciation. For example "zhong" can mean "center", "royal", "end", "clock", "bell", "love", "sincerity", or "rice dumpling"; "tong" can mean "same", "copper", "child", "servant",and "barrel". A number of words also have very similar pronunciations to numbers. For example:

The number 1 (pronounced "yao") is very close to the pronunciation for the word "yao" that means "want" or "you" that means "has".
The number 4 (prounced "shi") can mean "generation", "world", "is", or "death".
The number 5 (pronounced "wu") is very close to "wo" meaning "me"
The number 6 (pronounced "liu") is close to "liu" that means "slippery". Thus "66" means slippery or "smooth running"
The number 7 (pronounced "chi") sounds like "chu" meaing "go" or "che" meaning "eat"
The number 8 (pronounced "ba") sounds close to "fa" which means "prosper"
If you have been to China, you might notice the unusual frequency of the number "8" in the telephone numbers of hotels, airlines or businesses. Most of these are supposed to carry a good omen or blessing for the "prosperity" of the enterprises.

Telecommunication companies and car registration authorities in China have unwritten rules to charge extra for each number "8" that you want on your telephone number or your car license plate. Here are some "properous" telephone numbers:

Shanghai Shi Mao Riviera Garden Estate - 6888 8888
Holiday Inn Crowne Plaza, Shanghai - 6252 8888, 6280 8888
Ocean Hotel, Shanghai - 6545 8888
Sheraton Taiping Hotel, Shanghai - 6275 8888
Rizt Carlton Portman Hotel - 6279 8888
China Travel Services, Shanghai - 6247 8888
Northwest Airlines - 6279 8088
J.C. Mandarin Hotel - 6279 1888
Galaxy Hotel - 6275 5888
Nikko Hotel - 6255 9888
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Overseas Chinese Bank Corp - 6329 0888
In your travels you also have noticed that many buildings in China are sans floors 13 and 14. They lifts simply go straight from the 12th floor to 15th floor. The opened- up China seems to have adopted the western superstition relating to the number "13" as well as keeping local superstitions alive by avoiding the Foor "14" pronounced "shi-si" meaning "accidents".
Volkswagen would have to adopt a new name completely unrelated to its German name pronunciation of "da zhong" meaning "the people," due to popular perceptions of the term. The nearest Chinese word for "volkswagon" used among the Chinese in Southeast Asia is "fu shi huo gen" meaning "fortune is the root of disasters." Ford has better luck in the translation as it's translated name "fu te" means "extra fortune". AIWA also has has landed a good fortune fluke as "ai hua" - its Chinese name - means "love China". Similarly with Suntory as it's Chinese translation - "san de li" - means "benefitting three parties" (implying the people, the nation and the company).
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Companies must be warned however not to get too carried away too far by naming superstitions. Beijing Da Fa Zheng Da - commonly called "beijing da fa" meaning "big fortunes in Beijing" was a joint venture between a Thai company and a Beijing state enterprise. Rather than providing "big fortunes is Beijing" it became a "pain in the back" for the C.P. Group of Thailand. For many years it ran continuous losses.

Among the Caozhou overseas Chinese in Thailand, it is customary to give a cash sum that ends with the number 4 to married couples. "44" is pronounced "shi shi" meaning "every generation or eternity." "104" therfore means "100 life times". This carries a blessing for the married couple to be in love for 100 life times or forever. Interestingly however, my friends in China were shocked to hear that I planned to use this number for a friend who was getting married. In China "shi" would be interpreted as meaning "death".

When my employer decided to close down our Shanghai representative office in 1999, it took me months to find a buyer for my Volvo. Then as the prospective buyer approached the front of my car to check the license plate number, he decided to change his mind. My car's license number ended with "84", pronounced "fa-shi", means "have accidents", he murmered while making a quick exit.

No wonder, I lost my job...


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Chinese is probably one of the very few languages where several different words meaning different things can have identical pronunciation. For example "zhong" can ------
Good article for western people! This will give them more understanding of China!
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Originally Posted by equity78
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Chinese is probably one of the very few languages where several different words meaning different things can have identical pronunciation. For example "zhong" can mean "center", "royal", "end", "clock", "bell", "love", "sincerity", or "rice dumpling"; "tong" can mean "same", "copper", "child", "servant",and "barrel". A number of words also have very similar pronunciations to numbers. For example:
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The number 1 (pronounced "yao") is very close to the pronunciation for the word "yao" that means "want" or "you" that means "has".
The number 4 (prounced "shi") can mean "generation", "world", "is", or "death".
The number 5 (pronounced "wu") is very close to "wo" meaning "me"
The number 6 (pronounced "liu") is close to "liu" that means "slippery". Thus "66" means slippery or "smooth running"
The number 7 (pronounced "chi") sounds like "chu" meaing "go" or "che" meaning "eat"
The number 8 (pronounced "ba") sounds close to "fa" which means "prosper"
If you have been to China, you might notice the unusual frequency of the number "8" in the telephone numbers of hotels, airlines or businesses. Most of these are supposed to carry a good omen or blessing for the "prosperity" of the enterprises.

Telecommunication companies and car registration authorities in China have unwritten rules to charge extra for each number "8" that you want on your telephone number or your car license plate. Here are some "properous" telephone numbers:

Shanghai Shi Mao Riviera Garden Estate - 6888 8888
Holiday Inn Crowne Plaza, Shanghai - 6252 8888, 6280 8888
Ocean Hotel, Shanghai - 6545 8888
Sheraton Taiping Hotel, Shanghai - 6275 8888
Rizt Carlton Portman Hotel - 6279 8888
China Travel Services, Shanghai - 6247 8888
Northwest Airlines - 6279 8088
J.C. Mandarin Hotel - 6279 1888
Galaxy Hotel - 6275 5888
Nikko Hotel - 6255 9888
Overseas Chinese Bank Corp - 6329 0888
In your travels you also have noticed that many buildings in China are sans floors 13 and 14. They lifts simply go straight from the 12th floor to 15th floor. The opened- up China seems to have adopted the western superstition relating to the number "13" as well as keeping local superstitions alive by avoiding the Foor "14" pronounced "shi-si" meaning "accidents".
Volkswagen would have to adopt a new name completely unrelated to its German name pronunciation of "da zhong" meaning "the people," due to popular perceptions of the term. The nearest Chinese word for "volkswagon" used among the Chinese in Southeast Asia is "fu shi huo gen" meaning "fortune is the root of disasters." Ford has better luck in the translation as it's translated name "fu te" means "extra fortune". AIWA also has has landed a good fortune fluke as "ai hua" - its Chinese name - means "love China". Similarly with Suntory as it's Chinese translation - "san de li" - means "benefitting three parties" (implying the people, the nation and the company).
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Companies must be warned however not to get too carried away too far by naming superstitions. Beijing Da Fa Zheng Da - commonly called "beijing da fa" meaning "big fortunes in Beijing" was a joint venture between a Thai company and a Beijing state enterprise. Rather than providing "big fortunes is Beijing" it became a "pain in the back" for the C.P. Group of Thailand. For many years it ran continuous losses.

Among the Caozhou overseas Chinese in Thailand, it is customary to give a cash sum that ends with the number 4 to married couples. "44" is pronounced "shi shi" meaning "every generation or eternity." "104" therfore means "100 life times". This carries a blessing for the married couple to be in love for 100 life times or forever. Interestingly however, my friends in China were shocked to hear that I planned to use this number for a friend who was getting married. In China "shi" would be interpreted as meaning "death".

When my employer decided to close down our Shanghai representative office in 1999, it took me months to find a buyer for my Volvo. Then as the prospective buyer approached the front of my car to check the license plate number, he decided to change his mind. My car's license number ended with "84", pronounced "fa-shi", means "have accidents", he murmered while making a quick exit.

No wonder, I lost my job...


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Piset Wattanavitukul is Managing Director of P. W. Consultants specializing in Investment, Management and Trade in and with China and Human Resource Development in Shanghai and Ningbo.
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Feng Shui and Chinese Numerology
The Chinese have always had a deep interest in numerology. For them, numbers are not only for calculations, they have a magical quality of their own, in the sense that they can affect human life and destiny in some way. In Feng Shui, nature is also considered magical and since nature can be expressed through numbers, Feng Shui and numerology are closely related.

In Feng Shui, numbers are used to represent the five elemental forces (metal, wood, water, fire and earth) as expressed in the nine directions and the nine stars of the Luoshu diagram. Numbers are often used to predict the future (e.g. Feixing calculations), to study the auspiciousness of a given direction (e.g. Bazhai analysis), and to gauge the quality of elemental forces acting in the environment (Wuxing arrangement). The Chinese believe that if they can change their numbers or their Feng Shui, they can change their life as well. To them it is an act of empowerment and is not to be trivialised as superstitious.

Like everything else in nature, numbers have yin and yang qualities. Odd numbers (1,3,5,7,9) are considered yang while even numbers (2,4,6,8) are considered yin. Since yang quality is associated with growth and prosperity, the yang numbers are generally more desirable than the yin numbers. However, there are many exceptions to the rule.

Eight is considered an auspicious number not only because it sounds the same as “prosperous” or “fa” in Cantonese, but also because it is the yinnest of the yin numbers from 1-9. The Chinese believe that if you are at the bottom, the only way for you to go is up. So 8 stands for potential and for growth: a change from bad luck to good luck. Eight also stands for the 8 trigrams (bagua) – an auspicious symbol of transformation.
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Often, numbers are assessed not only in terms of their yin and yang quality or their symbolic meanings, but also on homonymy, or their sound.

In business, where the aim is to grow and make a profit, the three digit numbers like 328 and 888 are very popular with the Chinese because they sound the same as “business will easily prosper” and “thrice prosperous”. Generally three digit numbers are preferred over two or four digits because 3 is a yang number and it stands for “liveliness” or “san” in Cantonese.

Six is also very auspicious, not only because it has the same sound as “profitable” or “luk” in Cantonese but also because 6 is twice 3 and 3 is a lucky primary number since it takes a minimum of 3 points to create a geometrical shape. Three is the beginning of all things and twice 3, that is 6, means progress and doubling of everything that you started with. For the same reason the three digit numbers 326 and 666 are also popular with the Chinese.


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Two is not too bad either, even though it is the first of the yin numbers. Two represents the complementary forces of yin and yang. It has a bilateral symmetry and has the same sound as easy or “yi” in Cantonese, so it is a sought after number as well. Often, 2 is put in front of the other lucky numbers to make it seem easily achievable. For example the numbers 23, 26, 28 and 29 are desirable because they have the same sound as “easily growing”, “easily profitable”, “easily prosperous” and “easily enough” in Cantonese respectively. For the same reason, try to avoid putting a 2 in front of other unlucky sounding numbers like 4 (death or dying). The number 24 is considered unlucky homonymy wise, because it sounds the same as “easily dying” and 2424 is a very unlucky number indeed.

Five sounds the same as nothing or no (ng). So it is best to accompany this with the unlucky 4 and not the lucky 8. Fifty-four sounds like “not dying” and 58 sounds like “not prosperous” in Cantonese.


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Seven has the same sound as “certainty” or “for sure” (chut) so it goes well with 2 and 8, 72 and 78 sound the same as “certainly easy” and “prosperous for sure” respectively in Cantonese. Again, try to avoid putting a 7 next to unlucky numbers like 4, 74 sounds the same as “dead for sure” and is considered unlucky.

Both 1 and 9 are good numbers to have. One stands for “unity” while 9 stands for “longevity” or “enough”, so they combine well with other lucky numbers. However since 9 is the yangest of the yang numbers it implies the onset of decline, therefore combination numbers like 39, 69 and 89, while they sound good, imply over development.

For the same reason 999 is not a desirable number because it is too yang and the only way for it to go is down, in the sense that the follow up number is 1000 and the beginning of a new cycle – starting all over again. In the past, Nine is reserved for the Emperor and ordinary people are not allowed to use the number. The doors to the imperial palace are all decorated with (9x9) 81 brass knobs to signify the majesty of the Emperor. We know from history what happened to all Emperors, they get overthrown in the end. So unless you have a good ego and a strong desire for constant renewal, do not choose 9, 99 or 999.
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Any numbers that start with 1,2,3,6 and 8 or a combination thereof will always sound lucky. To achieve a feeling of health and prosperity you can choose numbers from these combinations and you cannot go wrong, especially well if you can balance the yin and yang numbers in their combinations. For example 3388 or 1618 and 1328 are all very auspicious, because they have a combination of two yin numbers and two yang numbers, so they are considered balanced and ritually correct, in harmony with each other.

Most Chinese try to avoid the number 4, because 4 sounds the same as “death” (sie) in Cantonese. Character wise, 4 is written as though the sun is being obscured by a cloud, so pictorially, it stands for a cloudy day and bad luck. The Chinese do not like to have a house or a car with the number 4 or a combination like 14 “must die”, 24 “easily dying”, 44 “dying and dead” and 74 “surely dead”. The only time 4 is considered auspicious is when it is used with a 5 or an 8, for example 54 sounds the same as “shall live forever and will not die”. Forty-eight sounds the same as “sure to prosper” and 84 sounds the same as “forever prosperous” and hence they are acceptable to the Chinese.


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If you have a number you do not feel positive about, do not worry. I have a solution for you. My Feng Shui teacher, Master Ren Zhi-Lian, has given me a cure to overcome the inauspiciousness. It involves a simple ritual of painting two red dots to either side of the unlucky numbers on display. For example if you have a 4 or a 14 as your house number, paint it like ·4· or ·14· with numbers in black and the dots in vermilion red. A dot or a zero symbolises nothingness; a pair of them in red will nullify any inauspiciousness associated with the number. This cure only works if the numbers are written down. For mobile or telephone numbers, you need to actually change the numbers to change your luck.

Do not be afraid of numbers. Numerology is there to serve us, like Feng Shui, not the other way round. Choose a house, a unit and a car that you really like first, then worry about the numbers. If you are destined to have them then the luck of the numbers can be changed by mandate of heaven, expressed through your will. Numbers by themselves do not have any power. The effectiveness of numerology comes from your perception of what these numbers can do. They can give you a numerical hint (or an intuition) of how you are feeling about a situation or a place. Likewise, the act of changing or re-ordering a number empowers you to change the situation psychologically. Physical changes for the better often follow a change of mind set. Remember the wisdom of the following Chinese saying on Qi energetics:

“Where the Mind goes, Qi will follow and Action will take place”
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According to RADiSTAR, who offers a list of Five-Digit .com domains available to register, only 44,990 names are left.
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Paxton thanks for the info it took 11 days for yahoo to list the nnnn.com domains on on yahoo using the dns of goldkey.com
i have been getting alot of views and this is only from nnnn.com that i regged a while back for regg fee.... by the way i saw a few listed on todays pool.com front page of deleted domains thats strange for nnnn.com domains
To the member .edu thanks for the post 16 months ago listing the final 50 nnnn.com domains left that was yummy
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